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MEMORANDUM OPINION BRINKEMA, District Judge. This case came on for trial by the Court beginning February 9, 2004 on an indictment against defendants Masoud Khan, Seifullah Chapman, Hammad Ab-dur-Raheem, and Caliph Basha Ibn Ab-dur-Raheem (hereinafter Caliph Basha). The indictment charged these four defendants, co-defendants who entered guilty pleas, and unnamed, unindicted co-conspirators with 32 counts. The superseding indictment alleged against these four defendants conspiracy (Count 1, 18 U.S.C. § 371), conspiracy to levy war against the United States (Count 2, 18 U.S.C. § 2384), conspiracy to provide material support to al-Qaeda (Count 3, 18 U.S.C. § 2339B), conspiracy to contribute services to the Taliban (Count 4, 50 U.S.C. § 1705), conspiracy to contribute material support to Lashkar-e-Taiba (“LET”) (Count 5, 18 U.S.C. § 2339A), commencing an expedition against a friendly nation (Counts 9-10, 18 U.S.C. § 960), conspiracy to possess and use firearms in connection with a crime of violence (Count 11, 18 U.S.C. § 924(o)), receipt of ammunition with cause to believe a felony will be committed therewith (Counts 12-14, 18 U.S.C. § 924(b)), and use and possession of firearms in connection with a crime of violence (Counts 20-22, 24-27, 31-32, 18 U.S.C. § 924(c)). Co-defendants Randall Royer, Ibrahim Al-Hamdi, Yong Kwon, Mohammed Aatique, Donald Surratt, and Mahmoud Hasan entered into plea agreements and pled guilty to various counts in the indictment. The factual allegations in the indictment focus on the defendants’ involvement in activities starting in January 2000 and continuing through June 2003, which the government maintained constituted preparation for violent jihad overseas against nations with whom the United States was at peace and providing material support to terrorist organizations. The indictment alleges that the preparations culminated in Khan and other co-conspirators attending a terrorist and jihad training camp after September 11, 2001, with the intent to proceed to Afghanistan and fight for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda against United States troops. The indictment further alleges that Royer and Al-Hamdi had participated in attacks on Indian forces in the disputed Kashmir region. After the conclusion of the government’s evidence, defendants moved for judgment of acquittal pursuant to Fed.R.Crim.P. 29. The motions of Khan, Chapman, and Ham-mad Abdur-Raheem were granted in part and denied in part, and various counts dismissed with prejudice as to these defendants, as detailed in our Order of February 20, 2004. The motion was granted in its entirety as to Caliph Basha, and all counts against him were dismissed with prejudice, because we found insufficient evidence to support conviction on any count, for the reasons stated in open court. At the conclusion of all the evidence, the defendants renewed their motions for judgment of acquittal as to the remaining counts. Those motions were denied. This memorandum opinion explains the factual findings and legal conclusions that support our judgment that defendant Khan is guilty of Counts 1, 2, 4, 5, 11, 24, 25, and 27; defendant Chapman is guilty of Counts 1, 5, 11, 20, and 22, and defendant Abdur-Raheem is guilty of Counts 1, 5, and 11; and that these defendants are not guilty of the remaining counts. I. Procedural background — Motion to suppress Before trial, defendant Chapman moved to suppress, pursuant to Simmons v. Unit ed States, 390 U.S. 377, 394, 88 S.Ct. 967, 19 L.Ed.2d 1247 (1968) and Kastigar v. United States, 406 U.S. 441, 92 S.Ct. 1653, 32 L.Ed.2d 212 (1972), the use and derivative use of statements that his former counsel, Phillip Leiser, made during a pretrial suppression hearing. As explained in open court and discussed in more detail in this opinion, we suppressed direct use of Leiser’s testimony, but allowed the use of evidence related to his statements, finding that the Kastigar derivative use doctrine did not apply, and that even if Kastigar did apply, that the government satisfied its burden to show that the evidence at issue was an inevitable discovery from an independent source. A. Background After he was initially indicted, Chapman was arrested by authorities in Saudi Arabia, and was turned over to United States law enforcement agents. Chapman was then transported from Saudi Arabia to the Eastern District of Virginia by airplane. Count 15 of a superseding indictment alleges that during this flight Chapman made false statements, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1001(a), that he had not attended or seen LET or jihad training camps. Chapman moved to suppress any statements made to law enforcement after his arrest in Saudi Arabia, on the grounds that they were in violation of his Sixth Amendment right to counsel. See Edwards v. Arizona, 451 U.S. 477, 101 S.Ct. 1880, 68 L.Ed.2d 378 (1981). Specifically, Chapman argued that his statements must be suppressed because he had retained Leiser as counsel, the government was aware that Leiser had been retained, and Chapman desired his attorney’s assistance in dealing with interrogation. The government responded to the motion by arguing that Chapman had told FBI agents aboard the plane that Leiser was no longer his attorney, he did not know whether an attorney had been appointed for him, and that the FBI agents relied on these statements in continuing to question Chapman. To resolve the disputed facts regarding whether Leiser was Chapman’s attorney at the time of questioning, the Court held an evidentiary hearing. Chapman’s present counsel, Lisa Kemler, called Leiser as a witness to testify as to the existence and scope of the attorney-client relationship between Chapman and Leiser. Leiser’s testimony detailed his communications with ■ Chapman regarding FBI Special Agent Wade Ammérman’s request for an interview with Chapman and Leiser’s efforts to arrange such an interview. On cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Kromberg asked: Q. In your communications with Mr. Chapman, did he tell you that he needed representation regarding his attendance at a Lashkar-e-Taiba training camp in Pakistan? Á. No. Q. About his travel to Pakistan? A. No. Q. About violations of the Neutrality Act for going to Pakistan? A. No. Q. Material to support terrorism? A. No. Q. For firearms charges? A. No. THE COURT: Mr. Kromberg, why are these questions relevant? MR. KROMBERG: I think they’re relevant, Your Honor, because if the suggestion is that Mr. Chapman had retained this attorney for the purposes of this case, I would think that Mr. Chapman would have said what some of the problems that he — some of the liability he was facing. He may not have known the particular statutes involved, but maybe he did, because at this point in time, Mr. Royer was talking to his lawyers about these very issues. On redirect, Kemler asked: Q. Mr. Leiser, what was Mr. Chapman’s understanding of what they wanted to talk to him about? A. Mr. Chapman had indicated that he had regularly attended the Islamic Institute, I believe, here in Northern Virginia, that he had met somebody there who had asked him to make a purchase of some video equipment which he understood was later used on some type of remote-controlled, like, model airplane, and that his understanding was that Agent Ammerman . wanted to discuss that, that purchase with him. While Leiser was reviewing his notes, the Court noted: Ms. Kemler, I didn’t probe this with you, but obviously, by asking these questions on behalf of Mr. Chapman, there’s been a waiver to some degree of the attorney-client privilege. MS. KEMLER: Yes. We were aware of that, Your Honor. . ■ Kemler then followed up: Q. Okay. After looking at your notes, do you recall any additional matters that were discussed about what the scope of the interview would be? A. No, that was it. Mr. Chapman had informed me about the prior questioning in ’99 or 2000, that it concerned this paintball exercises that he engaged in with some friends, but that he believed that this particular questioning concerned a purchase of the video equipment for a person named Khalid, Khalid Singh. Chapman then sought to suppress at trial the direct use of Leiser’s testimony regarding the purchase of video equipment under the holding in Simmons, and argued that records documenting the purchase of video equipment and communications regarding the purchase must also be suppressed as fruits of the suppression hearing testimony pursuant to Kastigar. B. Discussion Chapman relies on Simmons, which held that a defendant may testify in a pretrial suppression hearing without surrendering his Fifth Amendment right not to be forced to incriminate himself. In Simmons, the defendant testified at a suppression hearing to establish he had standing to bring a Fourth Amendment challenge to a search. The state then sought to admit the defendant’s suppression hearing testimony at trial to link him to the evidence. The Supreme Court ruled that the defendant’s testimony at the suppression hearing did not waive his Fifth Amendment right not to have his testimony used against him at trial, reasoning that it is “intolerable that one constitutional right should have to be surrendered in order to assert another.” Id. at 394, 88 S.Ct. 967. Here, Chapman faced a similar predicament, as he was required to waive his attorney-client privilege, derived from the Fifth and Sixth Amendments, in order to assert his rights under the Fifth and Sixth Amendments to suppress statements made without benefit of counsel. The government argues that Leiser’s testimony about the subject matter of his discussions with Chapman was a voluntary disclosure inconsistent with the confidential attorney-client relationship which waives the privilege. See In re Grand Jury Subpoena, 204 F.3d 516, 521 (4th Cir.2000); United States v. Jones, 696 F.2d 1069, 1072 (4th Cir.1982). The government also argues that Simmons is inapplicable here, because the attorney-client privilege is a common law privilege and not a constitutional right. The government found authority for its arguments in the Eleventh Circuit’s decision in In re Federal Grand Jury Proceedings (Cohen), 975 F.2d 1488 (11th Cir.1992), which held that an attorney’s testimony at a suppression hearing waived the attorney-client privilege, rejecting the Simmons analogy. We agree with Chapman that Simmons is an appropriate analogy, and therefore applies to the facts of this case. Although the attorney-client privilege is a common law right, when, as here, it is invoked by a criminal defendant to protect the confidentiality of his communication with his attorney regarding a law enforcement investigation, the privilege must be considered an extension of the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and the Sixth Amendment right to effective assistance of counsel. See Swidler & Berlin v. United States, 524 U.S. 399, 407, 118 S.Ct. 2081, 141 L.Ed.2d 379 (1998); Bittaker v. Woodford, 331 F.3d 715, 723 n. 9 (9th Cir.2003) (citing cases). On the facts of this case, Chapman faced a Hobson’s choice similar to that of the defendant in Simmons, in which Chapman was required to waive the privilege in order to effectively assert his Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights. Because the government, in its opposition to the motion to suppress and on cross-examination, suggested that Leiser was not representing Chapman in relation to the criminal charges about which Chapman was questioned on the flight, defendant’s counsel had to elicit testimony about the subject matter of the representation to assert fully Chapman’s right to counsel. We are not persuaded by the Eleventh Circuit’s conclusion in In re Federal Grand Jury Proceedings (Cohen) that Simmons does not apply to a waiver of the attorney-client privilege in a suppression hearing. To reach its conclusion, the Eleventh Circuit questioned the continuing vitality of Simmons, and found that Simmons had never been extended to situations involving the exclusion of prior testimony when competing rights, whether constitutional or statutory, are at issue. The Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed Simmons, see, e.g., United States v. Salvucci, 448 U.S. 83, 89, 100 S.Ct. 2547, 65 L.Ed.2d 619 (1980), and Simmons remains good law in the Fourth Circuit, see, e.g., Oken v. Corcoran, 220 F.3d 259, 267 (4th Cir.2000). Further, the reasoning of Simmons has been extended to bar the government’s use at trial of a defendant’s prior statements when competing rights are at issue. See United States v. Branker, 418 F.2d 378 (2d Cir.1969) (defendant’s testimony supporting his application for appointed counsel not admissible at trial). Finally, the Eleventh Circuit’s decision is in tension with the Fifth Circuit’s decision in In re United States of America, 878 F.2d 153 (5th Cir.1989). In that case, defendants sought to take a Rule 15 deposition of an attorney to establish the existence of an attorney-client relationship, to show that conversations between the defendants and that attorney were privileged, and therefore could not be used by the government. The defendants sought to take the deposition ex parte because they were concerned that the participation of government counsel in the deposition would constitute a waiver of the privilege. The Court dismissed this concern, rejecting the contention that calling the attorney to testify at a hearing on a motion to dismiss or suppress would waive the privilege: “We are aware of no authority that would support such a waiver, and neither the district court nor the [defendants] (here or below) have cited any authority which assertedly supports it.... [I]t would appear that use of the attorney’s testimony by the [defendants] at the hearing on their motion to dismiss the indictment or to suppress, to establish that the indictment, or the evidence to be suppressed, resulted from a government-induced breach of the attorney-client privilege would not result in a waiver thereof. Seeking to thus enforce the privilege hardly seems to constitute a waiver of it.” 878 F.2d at 158. We find that the facts described in this case are closely analogous to the issue before us. We also find an appropriate analogy to the instant case in the Ninth Circuit’s recent decision in Bittaker, 331 F.3d at 723. In Bittaker, the Ninth Circuit, sitting en banc, applied Simmons to hold that a ha-beas petitioner’s waiver of the attorney-client privilege to bring claims of ineffective assistance of counsel was a limited waiver for purposes of the habeas proceedings only, and did not waive the privilege for any subsequent retrial. In reaching this conclusion, the court assumed that the attorney-client privilege had a constitutional dimension in the criminal context, and found that the waiver of the privilege in the habeas proceeding was “voluntary ... only because there is no other means of protecting legal rights.... The scope of required disclosure should not be so broad as to effectively eliminate any incentive to vindicate [one’s] constitutional right[s].” 331 F.3d at 723 (internal citations and quotations omitted). The Ninth Circuit upheld the protective order entered by the district court that limited the use of privileged material disclosed in the habeas proceeding in any future retrial. Id. at 728. Accordingly, we prohibited the government from introducing Leiser’s testimony at trial. After Leiser testified at the suppression hearing, the government discovered documentary evidence that Chapman had helped Pal Singh in Coventry, England purchase equipment from www.wirelessvideocameras.com. Chapman moved that this evidence be suppressed as fruits of Leiser’s testimony, arguing that Simmons prohibits both use and derivative use of suppression hearing testimony. See United States v. Boruff, 870 F.2d 316, 318-19 (5th Cir.1989). As to the derivative use of Leiser’s testimony, Chapman argued that Kastigar requires the government to show that the discovery of evidence about wireless video equipment and Khalid Singh after Leiser’s testimony was not tainted by that privileged testimony. The government responded that Kasti-gar applies only to compelled testimony and does not apply to evidence derived from privileged communications. See United States v. Squillacote, 221 F.3d 542 (2000); Nickel v. Hannigan, 97 F.3d 403, 409 (10th Cir.1996). The government further argued that even if Kastigar did apply, the bank records that documented the purchase had been subpoenaed and received by agents before Leiser testified. The agent charged with reviewing the records had not been through them, but had been tasked to do so before trial. Lastly, the purchase of the electronic equipment was sufficiently clear from the bank records that it would have triggered further investigation. We agree with the government that Kastigar does not apply to the facts of this case. In Squillacote, the Fourth Circuit held that Kastigar’s protections against derivative use are triggered by the government’s efforts to compel testimony over assertions of constitutional privilege, not the mere existence of evidence that may be protected by a privilege. 221 F.3d at 559. Although the facts of Squillacote involved the non-constitutional psychotherapist-patient privilege, the Fourth Circuit relied on the reasoning of the Tenth Circuit in Nickel, which concerned the attorney-client privilege of a criminal defendant. Nickel held that even if the testimony of a defendant’s attorney should have been suppressed on the basis of the attorney-client privilege, the “fruit of the poisonous tree” doctrine does not apply to suppress evidence derived from the attorney’s testimony. 97 F.3d at 409. Based on these authorities, we found that a Kastigar hearing was not necessary in this case. Nonetheless, in an abundance of caution, we required the government to submit information detailing how it came to discover the details surrounding Chapman’s purchase of wireless video equipment. The government responded that FBI agents reviewed Chapman’s banking records, which had been subpoenaed previously, in preparation for trial. On or about January 9, 2004, agents identified a $986 purchase from www.wirelessvideocameras.com, and contacted that vendor to obtain additional evidence regarding the purchase. The vendor’s records led the agents to Pal Singh. Kastigar imposes on the government “the affirmative duty to prove that the evidence it proposes to use is derived from a legitimate source wholly independent of the compelled testimony,” 406 U.S. at 460, 92 S.Ct. 1653. Moreover, the government may not use compelled testimony to provide a lead that alters the course of the investigation. See United States v. Harris, 973 F.2d 333 (4th Cir.1992). The facts in this record led us to find that the discovery of the wireless video purchase was wholly independent from Leiser’s testimony. First, although the purchase was not identified in the bank records until January 9, 2004, after Leis-er’s testimony in December 2003, the records themselves were subpoenaed and in the possession of the government before Leiser’s testimony. Second, the review of financial records in preparation for trial is a routine investigative tool, and we did not find that such a routine task would have been ignored but for Leiser’s testimony. Finally, any agent would have immediately recognized the significance of the wireless video purchase, even without the lead provided by Leiser. The $986 purchase was by far the largest purchase in Chapman’s records for the relevant month. Well before Leiser testified, the government had flagged as significant the fact that LET had used model airplanes, and agents already knew that Khan had purchased model airplane equipment with wireless video capacity. Indeed, Khan’s purchase of model airplane equipment was alleged in the indictment as overt act #83 in furtherance of several conspiracy counts. For these reasons, we found that even if the derivative use of Leiser’s statements were prohibited by Simmons and Kasti-gar, the government established that the discovery of Chapman’s wireless video purchase was independent, and not derived from that testimony. II. Findings of Fact The majority of the facts in this case are not in dispute. Rather, the parties differ dramatically as to the interpretation to be placed on the facts. More specifically, the government contends that the three defendants on trial shared extremist views of Islam with the others indicted in this case, which led them to prepare for violent physical jihad themselves or to prepare others for violent jihad directed at nations with whom the United States is at peace, and ultimately, at the United States. Defendant Chapman counters that he is a moderate Muslim with no interest in violent jihad against any country. He argues that his possession of weapons was lawful and for legitimate recreational purposes, that he played paintball with other named co-conspirators for physical exercise, that he did not know the LET camp he and others visited in Pakistan trained persons for violent jihad, and that he had no intention himself of fighting India or any other nation and no intention of helping others engage in such fighting. Defendant Abdur-Raheem similarly argues that his possession of firearms, his training co-conspirators about the safety and maintenance of their firearms, and his participation in paintball were for purely recreational purposes. He disavows knowing the intention of other paintball players to use the game as a preparation for violent jihad. He also argues that he was never a part of any of the conspiracies. Defendant Khan argues that he was not a part of the paintball group and that his trip to Pakistan was for the purpose of settling a family legal problem. He argues that the time he spent at the LET camp was purely recreational and he disavows any intention to go to Afghanistan to fight on behalf of the Taliban against the United States. The evidence as to each defendant’s involvement in each count is entitled to separate evaluation and the evidence supporting or undercutting each count must be considered on its own merits. Due to the sharp conflict over the knowledge and intention of the defendants, the Court necessarily must determine what each defendant knew and intended. Because we cannot look directly into the human brain or heart to make such a determination, the Court has relied on evidence of what the defendant has said or done, or failed to say or do, during and around the time period at issue in the indictment, which runs from January 1, 2000 through June 2003. The Court has also used both the direct and circumstantial evidence that it found to be reliable and drawn from that evidence reasonable conclusions justified in light of common sense. Lastly, the Court has judged the credibility of the witnesses who have testified. The evaluation of witness credibility in this case has been based in what the witness said; his demeanor while on the witness stand; the extent to which the testimony has been substantiated or contradicted by other evidence in the case, including the testimony of other witnesses; the degree to which the witness may have been impeached; any relation the witness may have to either side of the case; and any motive, such as a plea bargain, to testify either truthfully or falsely. Two defendants, Ab-dur-Raheem and Chapman, testified. The credibility of their testimony has been evaluated using the same principles that apply to any other witness. Defendant Khan exercised his Fifth Amendment right not to testify and no inference has been drawn from that silence. Based on this evaluation, we have found the following facts. A. How the defendants met All the defendants on trial and their co-conspirators are Muslim, who met each other at different times. Abdur-Raheem met co-defendants Caliph Basha and Sur-ratt and witness Maurice McCoy at Prince George’s Community College around 1996. They started a Muslim student group there. In 1998 Abdur-Raheem moved to Northern Virginia and transferred to the Northern Virginia Community College (“NOVA”). Caliph Basha introduced Ab-dur-Raheem to Nabil Gharbieh some time before 2000. Gharbieh was a devout Muslim who along with Sheikh Jaafar and Ali Al-Timimi set up the Dar al-Arqam Center (“the Center”) in Falls Church, VA. Gharbieh testified that the purpose for establishing the Center was to provide instruction on Islam in English, rather than Arabic, to improve local Muslims’ understanding of their religion. Kwon, a Korean convert to Islam, met Al-Timimi and Royer in 1997 at a convention. Kwon met Aatique and Omar Khan, the brother of defendant Masoud Khan, while they were students at Virginia Tech in the late 1990s. Kwon often stayed at the Khan residence and became a close Mend of defendant Masoud Khan. Kwon met Abdur-Raheem, Caliph Basha, Surratt, Al-Hamdi and Gharbieh at the Center. He met Chapman through a friend before going to the Center. All the defendants knew each other by the dates of the conspiracy. B. Paintball It is uncontested that Nabil Gharbieh came up with the idea of playing paintball. He and Kwon both testified that in early January 2000 after dining with Al-Timimi, the two of them discussed setting up a paintball group as a way of doing jihad. Jihad literally means a struggle, which may range from exercising self-discipline, such as controlling one’s appetite, to violent combat against perceived enemies of Islam. Gharbieh, who the Court found to be a very credible witness, testified clearly that in early 2000, the war in Chechnya was a very “hot topic” among Muslims and was regularly discussed in the mosques and on Arabic satellite television. When he and Kwon discussed setting up paintball as a vehicle for jihad, their intention was to prepare for physical jihad in the sense of physical preparation for possible combat. They relied upon the Koran’s teaching that Muslims must be proficient in the use of the crossbow, horseback riding, and swimming for their view about the requirement of being physically prepared for combat. Kwon and Gharbieh spoke to other Muslim men they knew from the Center about paintball. These people included defendants Abdur-Raheem and Chapman and co-conspirators Royer, Al-Hamdi, Aatique, and Caliph Basha. Chapman was not as regular an attendee at the Center as the others, but was well enough known to be invited to join. Khan, although well-known to Kwon, who had lived at the Khan home, was not a member of the paintball group. Kwon made the initial purchases of the paintball equipment in the spring of 2000. By early summer the paintball games were a regular occurrence every other weekend. Initially played at public courses, the games were moved to private farm land in Spotsylvania County. Because Abdur-Ra-heem, Chapman, and Surratt had prior military experience, they were asked to lead the paintball teams and train the players to improve their game. Although the defendants have tried to portray the paintball exercises as innocent fun, the Court concludes that for the defendants and their co-conspirators, these games were viewed as not just an opportunity for outdoor exercise, fellowship, and an opportunity to improve self-defense skills, but also as preparation for real combat. The Court bases this conclusion on the following facts. The witnesses consistently testified that violent jihad in Chechnya was actively discussed by the paintballers. The players shared videotapes of war and their paintball Website, which was password protected, was used to disseminate information about jihad. To improve their paintball skills, the group asked those with military experience, Surratt, Abdur-Raheem, and Chapman, to lead drills. Both Abdur-Ra-heem and Chapman testified that they did lead these exercises. In September 2000, Chapman was visited by two FBI agents at his job site on the NOVA campus and asked about the paintball activity. Chapman testified that he. told the agents all about the activity and that this candor demonstrates his understanding that the games were not violating any laws. That argument is undercut by testimony of other witnesses who testified that after Chapman was interviewed, the paintball activity continued but with heightened secrecy. For example, Aatique joined the paintball group in the summer of 2000 after being invited to join. He testified that in the second season, the games were more secretive. New players had to have two or three sponsors and were told not to speak to the police if questioned about paintball. The defendants have tried to downplay the secrecy and the seriousness of the games. However, an outside observer of the games, Yusuf Wells, provided extremely reliable evidence that corroborates Aa-tique’s testimony. Wells, who was a fund raiser for the Benevolence International Foundation, an Islamic relief organization, visited Gharbieh in Northern Virginia over the April 14-15, 2001 weekend. On April 15, 2001, Gharbieh brought him to a paintball game. Part of Wells’ job involved writing reports about his fund raising trips. In his April 15, 2001 report he states: I was taken on a trip to the woods where a group of twenty brothers get together to play Paintball. It is a very secret and elite group and as I understand it, it is an honor to be invited to come. The brothers are fully geared up in camouflage fatigues, facemasks, and state of the art paintball weaponry. They call it “training” and are very serious about it. I knew at least 4 or 5 of them were ex U.S. military, the rest varied. Most all of them young men between the ages of 17-35. I was asked by the amir of the group to give a talk after Thuhr prayer. I spoke about seeing the conditions of Muslims overseas while with BIF, and how the fire of Islam is still very much alive in the hearts of the people even in the midst of extreme oppression. I also stressed the idea of being balanced. That we should not just be jihadis and perfect our fighting skills, but we should also work to perfect our character and strengthen our knowledge of Islam. I also said that Muslims are not just book reading cowards either, and that they should be commended for forming such a group. Many were confused as to why I had been “trusted” to join the group so quickly, but were comforted after my brief talk. Some offered to help me get presentations on their respective localities. (G Ex. 7C1 at 5-6) (emphasis in original). The defendants have tried to discredit this report by arguing that Wells was not accurate in his reporting and only trying to impress his supervisor. We find no support for that argument. Wells’ observation about the secretiveness with which paintball was played is corroborated by Gharbieh’s testimony describing the rule restricting new players to those known by the group, and the need for secrecy because outsiders might view them as terrorists. Andre Thompson testified that Surratt brought him to the paintball group in the summer of 2000 and told him that to continue to play he had to follow three rules: don’t tell anyone, don’t bring anyone, and take the Fifth if questioned by the police. Thompson was surprised by the rules, but Surratt explained that the rules were needed because Muslims were under surveillance. Surratt also said someone would call him. Kwon called Thompson and asked him if he knew the rules, and after that Thompson became a regular player. Wells’ observations about the intensity of the players and some players’ views about paintball preparing them for jihad are corroborated by the testimony of numerous witnesses. Thompson testified that the fighting in Chechnya was discussed on the paintball field constantly. Some players such as Al-Hamdi openly discussed wanting to go to Chechnya to fight. Royer encouraged Al-Hamdi, and also described paintball as a means for helping them prepare to fight. Thompson described Chapman as saying that paintball would enable them to fight but was not sufficient to qualify a person to fight overseas. Thompson also testified that Chapman once described paintball as a stepping stone to real training, and Ab-dur-Raheem said similar things about paintball — that it had application to real fighting but was not equivalent to it. Thompson also described military-type drills conducted by Chapman, Abdur-Ra-heem, and Surratt, all of whom had previous military experience. One time Chapman e-mailed pages from a military training manual to the players, then asked if they had memorized the pages. Abdur-Raheem and Chapman taught flanking maneuvers and land navigation. Warmups included military-like calisthenics including duck walks and push-ups, with physical punishment such as pushing a car in neutral for those coming late. Chapman enforced the punishment. Surratt’s testimony echoed Thompson’s description of the games and supported Gharbieh’s opinion that the games became more serious over time. When Chapman took over training during the summer of 2000, it became intense with Chapman telling the group “we’re going to. learn to fight.” Surratt described Chapman as enforcing discipline on late comers. Surratt also admitted that he provided military training out of his boot camp book. He taught assault and retreat and defend techniques, formations and hand signals. By the spring of 2001, Surratt had become concerned about the legality of what they were doing because of the cliquishness of the group, and his knowledge that Royer and Al-Hamdi had attended jihad training camps in Pakistan. He was also concerned about some of the players constant talk about really wanting to implement their training overseas. Surratt discussed his concern with Abdur-Raheem who said there was nothing illegal about their activities and that they were doing nothing more than the Michigan militia. After that discussion, he and Abdur-Raheem decided to continue playing paintball' — -they felt if someone went overseas and got in trouble that was not their problem; Aatique testified that he understood a purpose of the paintball games was to get military training for jihad and that Kwon and Al-Hamdi specifically told him they were training for jihad. He learned on the paintball field that Al-Hamdi planned to go to a Pakistan camp to fight in Kashmir and ultimately die shaheed. Other paint-bailers were present at this discussion. Aatique testified that when Al-Hamdi returned from Pakistan in September 2000, the players were surprised to see him alive. Al-Hamdi described his camp experiences and afterwards continued to play paintball.. Every witness who testified on the subject described Al-Hamdi as an improved paintball player after he returned and he even served with Chapman as team captain. Aatique also described how Abdur-Ra-heem during a training drill once shouted “helicopter.” The players did not know how to respond. After shooting in the direction of the aircraft, they were told by Abdur-Raheem why that response was incorrect. Abdur-Raheem testified about this incident and admitted that he gave the command, but argued that it was intended as a joke, knowing the players would be confused. Even though Aatique confirmed that Abdur-Raheem and Surratt laughed about the incident, he also testified that he did not view the exercise as a joke and that when another player asked how they should respond to a helicopter attack, Ab-dur-Raheem explained what they should do quite seriously. As further evidence of the true nature of the paintball games, we rely on the testimony of FBI Special Agent John Wyman about his debriefing Caliph Basha on March 23, 2003. In his first interview, Caliph Basha told the agents that the paintball was for fun, not military training, that Surratt and Abdur-Raheem led the teams, and that although Chechnya was often discussed, no one spoke about going overseas to fight or tried to get him to fight. Thirty minutes later, after agents challenged Caliph Basha about his truthfulness, he' changed his story. He stated that paintball was intended as training for jihad, so that the men could be prepared if something happened. The defendants argue that their involvement in paintball was completely innocent. They called Jessica Sparks, an expert on the game of paintball, who explained that all the military-type tactics are just part of the game. Sparks described the physical rigors of the game, the need to do warmups, and the regular use of drills such as flanking. The Court found all of Sparks’ testimony credible. However, it did not address the real issue of the defendants’ intent in engaging in these activities. Moreover, on rebuttal, the government called Major David Laden, responsible for basic training at the United States Marine Corps base at Quantico, Virginia, who confirmed that starting in 1999, the Marine Corps used paintball as part of its training program. Consistent with how Abdur-Ra-heem and Chapman described paintball to the co-conspirators, Laden explained the benefits of paintball as a stepping stone to further military training. According to Laden, paintball is not the equivalent of real combat, but it simulates aspects of real combat, such as learning how to move under fire. It also provides instantaneous feedback when a player makes a mistake, because he feels the sting of being hit by a paintball. Based on the totality of the evidence, the Court finds that the paintball exercises were an integral part of many of the conspiracies charged in this case, as they were treated as part of training for violent jihad. C. Lashkar-e-Taiba As with their participation in paintball, the issue as to what the defendants knew and intended with respect to their involvement with Lashkar-e-Taiba is also disputed. Markaz Dawa Wa’al Irshad was founded to organize Pakistani Muslims to conduct violent jihad against Russians in Afghanistan. Eventually it divided into separate sections. The military wing, known in this case as Lashkar-e-Taiba (“LET”), during the 1999-2003 period was primarily focused on defeating India’s influence in Kashmir (G Ex. 1D49). Through the numerous Taiba Bulletins, or LET newsletters, entered into evidence, it is clear that the LET was engaged in violent actions against Indian forces. For example, on April 23, 2000, the Taiba Bulletin announced in part: The mujahideen continued “Operation Ghauri” in Kupawara, in the village of Gung in the LOLAB area. They attached a mine under a bridge and took up positions around it. As an Indian military bus convoy passed over it, the mujahideen detonated the mine by remote control; the explosion sent one bus over the side of the bridge and into a deep trench, destroying it. The mujahi-deen then opened fire with assault rifles on the remaining buses. Several Indian soldiers died.... In the capitol of Occupied Kashmir, Lashkar-e-Taiba’s Fidai Brigade launched their third attack in recent days on the Indian “Nogam Brigade” Headquarters, located in Kupwara district. Three mujahideen entered the camp and immediately killed the two guards on duty. Then they fired two disposable shoulder-launched rockets at the main building, destroying a major part of it. One mujahid positioned himself at the gate to stand watch, while the remaining two entered the partially demolished main building and began shooting Indian soldiers. This caused many Indian soldiers to flee in panic from the building towards the camp’s gate. The mujahid stationed at the gate subsequently opened fire on them, resulting in a scene of fearful shouting, crying and shrieking. This furious battle continued for forty-five minutes, resulting in the deaths of eleven Indian soldiers and the serious injury of six. Before tactically retreating from the military camp, the three mujahideen set fire to an Indian military oil tanker, resulting in the complete wastage of its oil. (G Ex. 1D3). The Taiba Bulletins contain a footer with the following contact information: TAIBA BULLETIN is an official publication of MUJAHIDEEN LASHKAR-E-TAIBA 5 Chamberlane Road, Lahore — Pakistan Tel: (92-42)741-2565 Fax: (92042)741-1242 Http ://www. dawacenter. com/ Email: markazdawa@hotmail.com Requests for information about the jihad in Kashmir are welcome. This phone number was listed on a paper seized in a search of Royer’s home (G Ex. 1A9, Stip. 8-2) and a business card seized from Al-Hamdi’s home (G Ex. 3A12, Stip. 8-13). Other Taiba Bulletins discussed possible jihad actions against Russia (G Ex. 1D11) and Jews (G Ex. 1D27). The nature of LET is critical to this case because seven of the persons named in the indictment, including Chapman and Khan, spent time at LET camps in Pakistan. As early as April 2000 Royer traveled to LET. He later told Surratt that it was a good group, not engaged in terrorism but fighting for Muslims in Kashmir. Al-Timimi also praised the group. After those discussions Surratt began researching LET on the web. He did not need any help in locating the Taiba Bulletins. Al-Hamdi testified that he had dreamed of dying shaheed since he was twelve years old, and he attended the LET camp in pursuit of this goal. After seeing some videotapes about jihad, he tried to get into Chechnya to fight for the Muslim forces, but was turned away because he lacked jihad training. Early in 2000 he met with co-conspirator Royer to discuss how to get such training. Royer told him about LET as a “straight path” for such training. In a second discussion Royer told him that the LET was actively fighting the Indians in Kashmir. The two of them decided to go to Pakistan to get LET training. Roy-er went to. LET in April 2000 (G Ex. 1A1). Because Al-Hamdi was the son of a Yemeni diplomat, his visa application was delayed. When Royer returned, which had to be in May 2000, he told Al-Hamdi at the Center about his training experiences with LET, including firing live rounds on the front lines, endurance training, and firing AK-47 and PK weapons. In a meeting at the Center, Royer spoke to a group including Abdur-Raheem about LET and the training it provided. Al-Hamdi testified that Royer freely discussed his jihad experiences both in Bosnia and at the LET camp, both during paintball and at the Center. Al-Hamdi’s testimony about wanting to die shaheed was corroborated by Kwon who described Al-Hamdi as being ashamed that he did not know anyone who had died shaheed and how he wanted such a death. Al-Hamdi finally got a visa and left for Pakistan on August 21, 2000 (G Ex. 3C2). Before leaving, Royer made a call to the LET officials introducing Al-Hamdi and gave Al-Hamdi a business card (G Ex. 3A12). Al-Hamdi was sure he told Khan, Abdur-Raheem, Kwon, and other paintballers the real reason he was going to Pakistan just before he left. Aatique confirms that testimony. He testified he heard about Al-Hamdi’s plan to go to LET and die shaheed, before Al-Hamdi left. Although he could not recall who was present, he was sure other players were around. Afterwards there was a general discussion at the paintball sessions about Al-Hamdi’s trip. Aatique first saw Al-Hamdi again at the Center after he returned from LET in September 2000. Aatique testified that Al-Hamdi and some of the paintballers walked off together so Al-Hamdi could tell them privately what he had done. He remembered Abdur-Raheem and Chapman being among those paintballers. Gharbieh noticed them and warned them not to congregate like that. Everyone was surprised to see Al-Hamdi because they had expected he would die fighting. Al-Hamdi confirmed Aatique’s account by testifying that after he returned from LET he attended a meeting at the Center. He recalls Abdur-Raheem and Caliph Ba-sha being present, with Chapman joining them later. Although Al-Hamdi later admitted embellishing what he actually did at LET, he told those present about firing weapons and being fired at. This evidence is credible and seriously undercuts the defendants’ argument that they were unaware that members of their group were attending jihad camps overseas. Al-Hamdi, Aatique, Hasan, and Kwon testified about the posters they saw at the LET office in Lahore. One poster included the LET flag, along with a rifle firing through a burning balloon marked with the Indian flag, and balloons marked with American and Israeli flags next to it. The text reads, “Yesterday we saw Russia disintegrate, then India, next we see America and Israel burning” (G Ex. 1F3). Another poster shows the LET flag flying, a boot on an American flag, and the United States Capitol in flames (G Ex. 1F4). Another shows an LET flag and a soldier with an LET patch on his shoulder firing a rifle at burning Indian, American, and Israeli flags (G Ex. 1F6). Chapman testified that he traveled to the LET camp in August 2001. Royer suggested the camp to him, saying that LET were good Muslims who provided free military training and that the mountains were scenic. Royer called his LET contact from Chapman’s home phone to arrange Chapman’s visit. Chapman testified that he did not see any anti-American posters at the LET offices in Lahore, which we find incredible considering the consistent testimony of four other witnesses that such posters were prominently displayed. Chapman spent about 30 days at the camp — 3 days in weapons training, where he fired an AK-47 and other firearms, and the remainder of the time hiking in the mountains and performing military drills. On September 11, 2001, he learned of the attacks on America through a report on BBC radio, and began his journey back to the United States. D. The September 11, 2001 meeting Prior to September 11, 2001, a meeting had been scheduled at the Center for that evening. Given the events of that day, the gathering turned into a discussion of the attacks. Several of the conspirators attended. Gharbieh, Surratt, and Haytham Abu-Hantash, one of the founders of the Center, testified to a verbal altercation between Al-Timimi and Hantash. Ghar-bieh and Surratt testified that Al-Timimi stated that the attacks may not be Islami-cally permissible, but that they were not a tragedy, because they were brought on by American foreign policy. Both witnesses also testified that Hantash responded angrily that the attacks could not be justified. Hantash, who was called as a defense witness, also testified that such an exchange occurred. Hantash characterized it as Al-Timimi making a scholarly quibble with Hantash’s statements that attacks on innocents are never Islamically permissible. Al-Timimi cited authority that innocent persons may be attacked if an enemy is using them as human shields. Hantash told Al-Timimi that such comments were not appropriate immediately after the attacks, and reiterated that the attacks were to be condemned. Although Hantash tried to minimize Al-Timimi’s comments as scholarly quibbles, both Gharbieh and Hantash testified that Al-Timimi was not invited to speak at the Center after September 11, and the Center purged its bookstore of all speeches by Al-Timimi. Both the defendants and the government introduced speeches by Al-Timimi into evidence. Although in one speech from 1993 Al-Timimi condemns terrorism and the airplane hijackings (K Ex. 117), the more recent speeches that Al-Timimi gave at the Center endorse violent jihad (G Ex. 2A10, 4A12, 4A14). Among the topics of Al-Timimi’s lectures at the Center was the “end of time” battle between Muslims and non-Muslims. E. The September 16, 2001 meeting Kwon testified that after September 11 he organized a meeting at the urging of Al-Timimi to address how Muslims could protect themselves, and invited only those brothers who had participated in paintball training and owned weapons. Attendees at this September 16, 2001 meeting included Kwon, Al-Timimi, Royer, Aatique, Ha-san, Caliph Basha, Gharbieh, Khan, and Abdur-Raheem. Chapman was in an LET camp at that time. The government presented testimony about this meeting from Gharbieh, Aa-tique, Hasan, and Kwon. We find the accounts of the first three witnesses fully credible, because the demeanor of the witnesses was candid and their separate accounts generally consistent. Although we are troubled by some inconsistencies in Kwon’s testimony, we credit his testimony to the extent it is corroborated by the testimony of the other three witnesses. Abdur-Raheem discussed the meeting during his own testimony, and his account is generally consistent with that of the cooperating witnesses. At the beginning of the meeting, Al-Timimi told the attendees that the gathering was an “amana,” meaning that it was a trust that should be kept secret. The secrecy was underscored by having the window blinds drawn and the phones disconnected from the wall. The secrecy of the meeting was further reinforced when Gharbieh arrived with “Sherdil,” who was not a member of the paintball group and was not well-known to other attendees. When Gharbieh and Sherdil arrived, discussion stopped, Royer asked Gharbieh why he had brought Sherdil, and the discussion did not resume until Gharbieh and Sherdil left. At the meeting, Al-Timimi stated that the September 11 attacks were justified and that the end of time battle had begun. He said that America was at war with Islam, and that the attendees should leave the United States. The preferred option was to heed the call of Mullah Omar, leader of the Taliban, to participate in the defense of Muslims in Afghanistan and fight against United States troops that were expected to invade in pursuit of Al-Qaeda. As support for this proposition, Al-Timimi cited “fatwas,” or religious rulings, that called on Muslims to defend Afghanistan against impending American military action (G Ex. 7A20, 7A20a). According to Hasan and Kwon, Khan asked to review the fatwa, and Al-Timimi gave it to him to read, but advised Khan to burn it after he had read it. The other option presented to the attendees was to make “hijrah,” that is, to relocate their families to a Muslim country. Royer said that anyone who wanted to fight in Afghanistan would first need to participate in military training, that the LET camps in Pakistan were a good place to receive that training, and that Royer could facilitate their entry to the LET camps. After the meeting, Khan, Kwon, Aa-tique, and Hasan agreed to go to LET for training. Aatique, Hasan, and Kwon admitted that each of them had the intent to receive training that would allow him to proceed to Afghanistan and fight on behalf of the Taliban and Mullah Omar against United States troops. The evidence does not, however, establish any intent to fight in other regions, such as Kashmir or Chechnya, or to fight on behalf of LET. F. Trip to LET camp Aatique had already planned a trip to Pakistan to pick up his family, who had been visiting Pakistan during the summer, and he told the other attendees that he would attend the LET camp during his trip to Pakistan. Upon learning of Aa-tique’s travel plans, Khan arranged to take the same flight to Pakistan, leaving from JFK airport in New York. Hasan and Kwon also made plans to travel to Pakistan. Hasan and Khan made plans to meet in Karachi before traveling to LET together. In preparation for the trip, Kwon ordered jackets from a catalog for himself, Hasan, and Abdur-Raheem, because Khan recommended such a jacket for the mountain climate in Pakistan where the LET camps were located. Khan had ordered an identical jacket for himself one day earlier. Royer phoned his contact in LET and provided aliases and descriptions for Khan, Aatique, Hasan, and Kwon. Several witnesses testified that Khan’s alias, or “Abu name,” was “Abu Ibrahim.” Ibrahim is the name of Khan’s son, and the convention in forming “Abu names” is to use the name of a son. On September 18, 2001, Hasan and Kwon drove Khan to Aatique’s house in Pennsylvania. The next day, Aatique and Khan traveled to JFK airport for their flight to Karachi. The conspirators discussed “cover stories” that they would use to disguise the true purpose of their trip — Khan maintained that his travel was to testify in a court proceeding, Aatique cited his plan to pick up his family, and Hasan and Kwon said that they planned to attend a wedding. Al-Timimi advised Hasan and Kwon on how to travel without drawing attention to themselves. After arriving in Karachi, Khan, Hasan, and Kwon met and traveled together to the LET office in Lahore. Aatique had already traveled to Lahore, and for a day or two the four were at the LET camp together. During their time át LET, Khan, Hasan, and Kwon traveled through several different camps and received training on commando tactics and weapons. Aatique saw Khan fire an anti-aircraft gun, and Hasan and Kwon testified that both they and Khan fired an AK-47, an antiaircraft gun, and a rocket-propelled grenade. Khan did not submit any evidence that would refute the evidence that he fired these weapons at the LET camp, nor did he impeach the consistent accounts of the witnesses. Moreover, the accounts of these witnesses as to their activities at the LET camps are consistent with the accounts of Al-Hamdi and Chapman, who attended the LET camps at other times. Therefore, on this evidence we find that Khan fired an AK-47, an anti-aircraft gun, and a rocket-propelled grenade at the LET camps. G. -.Khan’s and Chapman’s support to LET During their time at LET, Khan, Hasan, and Kwon learned through reports on BBC radio that United States forces were defeating the Taliban in Afghanistan, and also learned that Pakistan had closed its border with Afghanistan and that LET would not facilitate their travel there. Moreover, Pakistani authorities were aggressively removing foreigners from the camps. As a result, the defendants were required to leave the camps. Both Hasan and Kwon communicated their regret over the early termination of their training. According to Kwon, before he and Khan left the camp, they were approached by two men Kwon knew as “Abu Baraa” and “Disco Mujaheddin,” who requested their help with a special mission but declined to give specifics. Ultimately, Abu Baraa and Disco Mujaheddin asked Khan and Kwon to return to the United States, gather information, and spread propaganda. Khan returned to the United States in December 2001 but Kwon stayed in Pakistan and started a mango export business. Both Kwon and Chapman testified about their contacts with a man they encountered at the LET camp known as “Abu Khalid.” Khalid was described as a Pakistani man who spoke English with a British accent, and worked at the LET office in Lahore. On rebuttal, Kwon testified he believed Khalid was a high official in LET because he had a driver. By the summer of 2002, Kwon had overstayed his visa in Pakistan. He believed that Abu Khalid might be able to help with the visa problem, but Kwon did not have a way to contact him. Kwon e-mailed Khan to request Abu Khalid’s contact information. Khan passed the request on to Chapman, who sent Kwon Abu Khalid’s e-mail address: johninformation@yahoo.co.uk. This 2002 contact with Khalid and LET was extremely significant in our view, because it undercuts Chapman’s argument that his early return to the United States after September 11, 2001 evidenced his disavowal of any further contact with LET, which the United States Department of State had officially declared a terrorist organization in December 2001. Chapman testified that Abu Khalid, who used the johninformation e-mail account, is the same person as Pal Singh, who uses the email address of psingh@hotmail.com. Chapman’s testimony that Abu Khalid and Pal Singh are the same person is buttressed by technical evidence that the government introduced through Evan Kohlmann, a witness familiar with the Internet sites routinely accessed by the co-conspirators and with Internet addressing protocols generally. The johninformation@yahoo.eo.uk account was created in the summer of 2001 from an Internet connection at Coventry University in England, by someone using the alias “John Smith” (G Ex. 4C4a). As discussed below, Chapman shipped video equipment for a model airplane to Pal Singh in Coventry, England. Other technical evidence introduced through Kohlmann was that the psingh@hotmail.com account was accessed in 2003 from Pakistan, Hong Kong, and College Park, MD (G Ex. 5A6a, 7C17). Based on this evidence, and because Kwon encountered Khalid in Pakistan and Chapman encountered Singh in the United States, we draw the inference that Singh routinely travels between Pakistan, the United Kingdom, and the United States. On March 27, 2002, Pal Singh tried to purchase a wireless video module for use in a model aircraft over the Internet from www.wirelessvideocameras.com. For descriptions of the following transaction, we rely on the testimony of Monte Salot, the President of Wireless Video Cameras, as well as documents and e-mails regarding the transaction maintained by that company (G Ex. 4C3). Chapman’s testimony confirmed most of this evidence. As the documents establish, Singh purchased an AA5 OR-2 airborne video system, which includes a camera and transmitter that can be installed in a model airplane and will transmit video images back to a receiver from as far away as 5 miles. The range can be extended to 15 miles with use of an amplifier, which was included in the system that Singh ordered. The return address on the e-mail order shows that Singh placed his order from Coventry, England, but the vendor was unable to confirm the overseas credit card and notified Singh of this problem by email to psingh@hotmail.com. Singh responded to that e-mail by phone, explaining that Seifullah Chapman in Alexandria, VA would purchase the device on Singh’s behalf and that the vendor should ship it to Chapman. Chapman admits that he agreed to make the purchase for Singh. Chapman paid the $986 charge from his debit card account, as shown by the record that was the subject of the Motion to Suppress discussed in section I.B., supra. Once payment was confirmed, the vendor shipped the system to Chapman on April 8, 2002, and Chapman forwarded it to Singh in Coventry. In the summer of 2002, Singh advised the vendor by e-mail that he was having problems with the system and that it was not transmitting video over the range that had been promised. After some troubleshooting advice failed to solve the problem, Singh shipped the system back to the vendor, who discovered that the wrong type of battery had been installed, replaced the battery, and returned the device to Chapman at his new address in Alexandria on July 10, 2002. Chapman testified that about a month before, Singh had contacted him and asked for a place to stay when visiting the Washington, D.C. area. Because Chapman had a newborn child and was busy with work, he only agreed to host Singh for two days, and arranged for Singh to stay with Khan for a few more days. Sometime after this visit, Chapman received the repaired video device from the vendor. By this time, he was preparing to leave the country for his job teaching English in Saudi Arabia. Because Chapman was giving some of his hunting equipment to Khan’s brother Ahmed, and because Chapman knew Singh had been to Khan’s house before, he brought both the hunting gear and the video device to Khan’s house, with the understanding that Singh would pick up the video device from there. Given Singh’s relationship with LET, Chapman’s continued involvement with him in 2002 is strong evidencé of providing material support to LET.. . , In December 2002, Khan purchased from Vesta Technologies an MP-1000SYS. airplane control module. According to the testimony of Cindy Reish, general manager of Vesta Technologies, and the documents regarding the transaction maintained by that company .(G Ex. 2C2a), the MP-1000SYS is a stability and control computer that can be programmed to fly an airplane with a 10-12 foot wingspan using Global Positioning System (“GPS”) coordinates. The unit controls altitude, speed, and navigation to programmed way-points, and can also be programmed to turn a video camera on a